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Reviews > Cook Gear > Stoves > Brasslite Turbo II-D Alcohol Stove > Will Rietveld > Long Term Report

Long-Term Report: Brasslite Turbo II-D Alcohol Stove

Date: April 8, 2004
Manufacturer Information
Name:
Brasslite Backpacking Stove
Website: http://www.brasslite.com/

Product Information
Product Tested:
Brasslite Turbo II-D alcohol stove
Use: 1 or 2 people; 33-66 fl oz/1-2 liter pot capacity; minimum pot diameter 5 in (13 cm)
Year of Manufacture: 2003
Color: Brass (bare metal)
Materials: The stove body is 30 ga (0.0102 in/0.305 mm) brass shim; the simmer sleeve is 32 ga (0.008 in/0.203 mm) brass shim; and the pot holder is 0.5 in (1.3 cm) stainless steel wire cloth.
Dimensions: Width of chamber and stand: 2.4 in (6 cm); width of preheat pan: 3.0 in (8 cm); height of chamber: 1.7 in (4 cm); overall height: 2.8 in (7 cm); side port diameter: .3 in/8 mm; top port diameter: 1 in/3 cm
Fuel Capacity/Burn Time: 2 fl oz (59 ml)/20 min
Weight Listed on Website: 2.6 oz (74 g)
Weight as Delivered: 2.7 oz (77 g)
Cost: $52

Product Tested:
Brasslite custom dispenser bottle
Color: Translucent white
Materials: Polyethylene
Capacity: 8 fl oz (227 ml); a 16 fl oz/454 ml dispenser bottle is also available
Weight Listed on Website: 1.5 oz (43 g)
Weight as Delivered: 1.5 oz (43 g)
Cost: $5

Cooking with the Brasslite Turbo II-D under cold weather conditions.

Product Description
According to the Brasslite website and product literature, the Turbo II-D is the improved version of the Turbo II (now discontinued). The Turbo II-D has a double wall (the reason for the "D" in the name), which increases the weight by 0.4 oz (11.3 g) but creates significantly improved flame control. The Turbo II-D is for use by 1-2 people. It has a fuel capacity of 2 fl oz (57 ml) and will burn for 20 minutes on a full load of fuel (longer if simmering). It's recommended that the Turbo II-D be used with a cook pot having a minimum capacity of 33 fl oz (1 liter), but the base size of the pot is more important to reduce flame spillage and wasted fuel. The minimum recommended pot base size is 5 inches (13 cm). Flame size can be reduced by partially closing the ports (air intakes) to compensate for pots that are at or slightly less than 5 inches (13 cm) in diameter and 33 fl oz (1 liter) capacity.

Summary
The Turbo II-D is a larger alcohol stove that is suitable for 1-2 people. It has a simmer sleeve that allows simmering a meal at low heat or putting the stove on “hold” between courses. Over the 6-month test period, I used this stove on 11 outings for a total of 44 trip days. Conditions included high altitude, hot and cold weather, wind, and snow. After I adjusted to the alcohol stove’s personality (mainly the lack of flame control), I became comfortable with its reliability and found it easy to like. It works extremely well for ultralight backpacking because of its simplicity and lightweight and the fact that I can take only the amount of fuel needed. It required that I develop skill at determining the correct amount of alcohol to use to boil a given amount of water, taking into consideration the water and air temperatures, wind, pot size, etc. This skill was easily mastered. Boil times were about double those of a pressurized fuel stove in my testing conditions. The stove is very sensitive to wind (as are most camping stoves), and a good windscreen is essential. Brasslite’s innovations have raised the level of usability and performance of alcohol stoves to the point where they deserve serious consideration for general and lightweight backpacking use.

Introduction
Over the course of many outings during the 6-month test period I have come to peace with the Brasslite Turbo II-D alcohol stove. It connects with the spirit of backpacking in its simplicity, silence, and predictability. It has no moving parts, no pumps or seals, and no throwaway fuel canisters. Unlike pressurized fuel stoves, which seem to make more noise than heat, the alcohol stove silently and efficiently heats my pot. I developed a relationship with it, just like I would with a canine companion. It especially embraces the principles of ultralight backpacking where appropriate gear is essential, simple, functional, and light. The most important thing I learned in this test is that the alcohol stove is efficient, durable, and dependable. It fits well with my ultralight philosophy and environmental ethics.

Brasslite has raised the performance of alcohol stoves to a higher level. In this report I will summarize my experiences and impressions with the Brasslite Turbo II-D over the past 6 months. If you have not used an alcohol stove before and are considering a purchase, this review should help answer many of your questions.

Field Test Locations And Conditions
Over the 6-month test period I used the stove on 11 outings in 4 states for a total of 44 trip days. In late September, shortly after receiving the stove, I went on one last backpack in the high alpine country of the Southwest Colorado Mountains just before a snowstorm ended the backpacking season. In the fall I shifted to backpacking in the canyon country of Northern Arizona and Southeast Utah. Fall also included an 8-day canoe trip on the Colorado River in Southeast Utah. During the winter my wife and I used the stove on 5 backcountry car camping trips in Southeast Utah and Northern New Mexico. And in the spring I went on 2 more backpacking trips in Southeastern Utah canyon country. Over the course of these trips I used the stove under the following extreme conditions: high elevations (11,800 ft/3597 m), high temperatures (85 F/29 C), low temperatures (15-30 F/-9 to -1 C), snow (6 in/15 cm one night), wind (up to 25 mph/40 kph), and rain. We also enjoyed many very pleasant days in very beautiful places, the kind that keeps drawing you back.

How I Used The Stove
The majority of the time (it was winter) I heated cold water 32-45 F (0-7 C). On solo trips I typically boiled 2 cups (16 fl oz/473 ml) of water for breakfast in the morning, and the same amount for my dinner in the evening. On trips with my wife we typically boiled 2 cups of water for coffee followed by 3 cups (24 fl oz/710 ml) for hot cereal in the morning, and 3 cups (24 fl oz/710 ml) for dinner in the evening. I stayed with full cups of water to simplify my record keeping. My cooking method is very simple: I simply boil water, add stuff to it, let it sit 5-10 min, and eat it. I use treated water, so it doesn’t actually have to reach boiling, although I prefer it. I do not do any simmering, so the stove’s simmer ring was not a useful feature for me.

My cook pot is 5.5 in/14 cm in diameter, slightly larger than the minimum 5 in/13 cm diameter recommended by Brasslite. The capacity was 6 cups (48 fl oz/1.4 liters). I built and used a heat deflector and windscreen following instructions that came with the stove. In cold weather I used a .5 in/2 cm thick piece of fiberglass insulation under the stove to reduce heat loss. Throughout the test I used denatured alcohol as fuel and dispensed it from the fuel bottle provided by Brasslite. Each time I used the stove I measured and recorded water temperature, air temperature, amount of water used, amount of fuel used, and estimated wind speed.

Data
The following table shows the range of boiling times I recorded for 2 cups (16 fl oz/473 ml) and 3 cups (24 fl oz/710 ml) of water, compared with data from the Brasslite website.

Water

Fuel

My Boil Time

Brasslite Boil Time

2 cups/16 fl oz/473 ml .75 fl oz/22 ml 5.15 to 11.5 min 5 min
3 cups/24 fl oz/710 ml 1 fl oz/30 ml 7.5 to 10.5 min 7 min

The main point here is that the time to reach boiling varies tremendously, depending on the conditions. All of my testing was done in fall, winter, and early spring. Water and air temperatures were usually cool, it was often breezy, and elevations were above 6000 ft/1829 m. Brasslite’s tests were conducted at low elevation using warmer fuel and water, in calm/warm air conditions. Larger pot sizes, metal type and thickness, wind conditions, windscreen position, lower water temperature, lower air temperature, and elevation may all increase field boil times.

My Experiences With The Brasslite Turbo Ii-D
Lighting the Stove—
The directions state that the ports (air intakes) need to be fully open when the stove is lit. When I used the warm weather lighting method (putting alcohol only on the top of the stove), the stove would frequently not ignite, even at temperatures of 60-70 F/16-21 C. I resorted to using the cold weather lighting method most of the time (putting about 3 ml of alcohol in the brass pan at the bottom plus a little on top). It is better not to skimp on priming fuel when igniting the stove because if it does not ignite I have to repeat the process using more fuel. During the lighting process I typically waited about 10 sec to be sure the stove was ignited before I put my pot on. The stove burns slowly at first, then more vigorously as it gets warmed up.

Controlling the Flame Level—The stove has no direct way to adjust the flame level or turn it off. As one would expect, the stove burns less vigorously in cold weather and more vigorously in warm weather. The flame level is actually more controlled in cooler weather, and more flame spillage (less efficiency) occurs in warmer weather. On a few occasions the stove flared up excessively (photo to right) and quickly consumed the fuel. I could not detect any pattern to this behavior, and fortunately it happened only a few times. The ports can be partially closed (up to one-third) to adjust for smaller pots and warmer weather to reduce flame spillage.

The stove flared up excessively on a few occasions.

Using the Simmer Sleeve—The main purpose of the simmer sleeve is to simmer food once boiling has been reached or to put the stove on “hold” between courses. I did not use the simmer sleeve feature for cooking, but I did test it several times. To adjust the simmer sleeve, it is necessary to press down on the cook pot and bump the sleeve’s tab to get it to slide. As the stove became more corroded, the simmer sleeve was more resistant to sliding. It can be loosened by spreading the tab with a knife. I had to loosen it several times during the test so it would slide easily. For me, the simmer sleeve was not a useful feature. It was somewhat difficult to slide (at the risk of spilling my cook pot), and the response was fairly slow (1-2 minutes). With an alcohol stove it makes more sense to me to simply boil water, add a quick-cook meal, and let it set 10 min to “cook”, rather than simmering it on the stove. I found that a pot cozy is not really necessary for quick-cook meals.

Controlling Burn Time—The process is to estimate the amount of fuel needed to boil a given amount of water, taking into account the initial water temperature, air temperature, and wind conditions.  Once the stove is ignited, it burns until the fuel runs out, so ideally you want to use just the right amount of fuel. Some experience and skill are needed to correctly estimate the amount of fuel needed, but after awhile it becomes instinctive. The amounts listed in a table in the instructions are very close, and one quickly learns how much to adjust them for the specific conditions.

Fuel-dispensing Bottle—This is a perfect accessory to accurately measure and dispense fuel into the stove. It does not leak. I found that the reservoir side of the bottle should be up when dispensing the fuel.

High Elevation Use—The Brasslite alcohol stove worked just fine at high altitude. In my past experiences with a Trangia stove and a homemade soda can stove, they did not work very well at high elevations. I later realized that the poor performance was caused by a close-fitting windscreen that restricted airflow to the stove.

Flame Spillage—Especially at warmer air temperatures (55 F/12.8 C and higher) there was flame spillage around my cook pot. Sometimes it was excessive to the point that I could not take the lid off the pot to add my food, for fear of burning my hand or clothing. Flame spillage is wasted heat, and can be reduced by using a wider cook pot or lighting the stove with the ports partially closed. It can also be reduced by adjusting the windscreen so it is closer around the pot to reduce the amount of air available. At cooler temperatures the stove was quite well behaved, and there was minimal flame spillage.

Boil Time—My boil times were usually 6-9 minutes for 2 cups (16 fl oz/473 ml) of water and 8-13 minutes for 3 cups (24 fl oz/710 ml) of water, depending on air and water temperatures. These were significantly longer than the average 5 to 7 minute boil times stated on the Brasslite website, but Brasslite emphasized that actual boil times vary a lot because conditions vary a lot. My boil times are probably typical for the western mountain and canyon country. Note that most of my testing was under fairly cool conditions.

Windy, Rainy, and Snowy Conditions—Wind definitely affects the alcohol stove (as it does with any camping stove), and a windscreen is essential. Because of the convective heat loss more fuel is needed and boiling times are significantly increased. Using the stove in the rain is a similar situation, because of the conductive heat loss. The one time I used the stove in the snow it worked just fine. In cold weather it is important to use a heat reflector under the stove to reduce conductive heat loss. On frozen ground or snow, placing a thin (.5 in/2 cm) piece of fiberglass insulation under the stove helps to improve efficiency.

Convenience—This is a very subjective topic, but I feel that once the technique is mastered the alcohol stove is just as convenient as any other backpacking stove. Boiling times are longer, but that is not a problem for me. There are always lots of things to do while the stove is doing its job, especially in the morning when I am breaking camp. With my cooking method, it is not essential that water be heated to boiling; close is good enough. The main advantages of pressurized fuel stoves are that you don’t have to estimate and measure the amount of fuel needed for each use, and you can directly adjust the flame level. See my Field Test Report for a comparison of the Brasslite Turbo II-D with a canister stove.

Reliability—After 6 months of experience with the alcohol stove, my confidence in it has increased immensely. It is very predictable and dependable.

Ultralight Backpacking Use—The alcohol stove is a perfect match for ultralight backpacking. It is small, light, and simple. The Turbo II-D at 2.6 oz/74 g is a little heavy by ultralight standards, but it is designed as a 2-person stove. The new Turbo F weighs only .8 oz/ 23 g. I especially like the fact that I can carry only the amount of fuel I need for a particular trip.

Recommendations For Potential Improvements
I would love to see an alcohol stove that does not require measuring the amount of fuel needed for each use. Simply fill it with fuel, cook, and turn it off. Then return the remaining fuel to a storage bottle or seal it in the stove until the next use.  

Conclusions
If you prefer to keep things simple, lightweight, and functional, then you will love the Brasslite Turbo II-D. It requires some skill to use, but it is easily mastered. However, if you prefer to utilize all the features that modern technology has to offer, then you would probably not be satisfied with an alcohol stove and its lack of control. Brasslite has done a very creditable job of advancing the usability and performance of the alcohol stove. If you have not used an alcohol stove before, the Brasslite Turbo II-D is a good choice.

Tester Information
Tester Name
: Will Rietveld
E-mail: willi_wabbit@bresnan.net
Gender: M
Age: 61
Height: 6' (183 cm)
Weight: 170 lb (77.3 kg)
Location: Durango, Colorado, USA
Backpacking Background: 46 years of hiking and backpacking in the mountains and deserts of southwest Colorado, southeast Utah, New Mexico, and Arizona. I have also made numerous trips in Wyoming, Montana, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and upper Michigan. I have been a lightweight backpacker for many years, and an ultralight backpacker for 5 years. I have been retired for 6 years and backpack frequently. My wife and I present workshops on ultralight backpacking in the local area and have developed a website called Southwest Ultralight Backpacking.

Acknowledgements
I would like to thank Aaron Rosenbloom at Brasslite and the BackpackGearTest group for selecting me to participate in this test.

Will Rietveld



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