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Long Term Report - MSR OverLand Carbon Trekking Poles
MSR OverLand Carbon Trekking Poles



Product information

Manufacturer: Mountain Safety Research (MSR)
Year made: 2004
WebSite: http://www.msrcorp.com/
Listed weight: 17 oz (482 g) per pair
Actual weight:
16.8 oz (476 g) per pair (8.4 oz / 238 g ea.)
Listed Lengths:
25.6 - 55 in (65 - 140 cm)
Actual Lengths:
26.25 - 56.75 in (67 - 144 cm), measured from end to end.
MSRP:
$129.95 USD
Product description:

At eight ounces apiece, these lightweight poles are at home on the trail as part of an ultralight hiker’s bag of tricks.

  • Ideal for Fast & Light trips where weight is of paramount importance
  • Full carbon-fiber construction reduces weight and dampens impact forces each time the pole strikes the trail
  • Anti-shock wrist straps absorb shock for a soft ride
  • 7° Natural Angle grip provides the ultimate in comfort


Long Term Observations

  • Test Locations:

During the course of this series, I tested the MSR Overland Carbon Fiber Trekking Poles during the following trips.
    • Jefferson Wilderness, Oregon Cascades:  July 29 – Aug 1.  (Completed and reported in Field Report)
    • Silver Falls State Park, Oregon: Aug 15 – 20.  (Completed and reported in Field Report)
    • Three Sisters Loop, Oregon Cascades: Sept. 3 – 7
    • Day hikes in paved roads, established trails and backyard bushwhacking.
  • Test Conditions:

Three Sisters Loop:  On hike I covered 50 mi (81 km) in a loop around the "Three Sisters", also known and North, Middle and South Sisters.  Our party started on September 3rd and finished 4 days later on the 6th.  Altitude ranged from 5200 ft (1585 m) to 7100 ft (2164 m).  It had been raining and snowing all the previous day and night before departure.  The morning of the first day was foggy but no active precipitation.  There would be no rain or snow for the remainder of the trek.  Below is a brief synopsis of the daily conditions and experiences using these trekking poles.

My GearDay 1:  12 mi (19.3 km) from Lava Camp to Soap Creek.  Today's trail started at 5300 ft (1615 m) following wooded Lodgepole pine forest tails, rising to 6100 ft (1859 m) after 3 mi (4.8 km), dropping again to 5300 ft (1615 m) at 4.75 mi (7.7 km), peaking again to 6300 ft (1920 m) at 9.5 mi (15.3 km), descending to our evening camp (Soap Creek) at 5700 ft (1737 m).  Brief portions of the trail would have been dusty and dry if not for the previous days rain.  The poles were used on one off trail excursion to get a shot of North Sister from between the trees were I relied heavily on the poles to keep from slipping down the steep slope.  There were two, non-technical, stream crossings where the poles were used to aid in balancing while traversing the log bridge.

Day 2:  12 mi (19.3 km) from Soap Creek to stealth camp west of Moraine Lake.  Continuing from camp last night at 5700 ft (1737 m), ascending to Green Lakes pass, 7050 ft (2149 m), at 5.5 mi (8.9 km),  descending to  6000 ft (1829 m) at 9.6 mi (15.5 km), ending the day at 6700 ft (2042 m).  Today's trail variously traversed Lodgepole pine forests with packed earthen trails, ghostly white forests of long past fires, crossing vast tendrils of pumice sand "flows" breaking up the north eastern slopes of South Sister, and finally ending in the wide fields of volcanic debris and gravel, crunching under every foot fall and strike of the poles.  I quickly learn that to maintain my sanity, I must block out the incessant clatter of the carbide tips on every step.  The approach to Green Lakes pass was very rocky and narrow, creating the opportunity to learn to pay attention to pole placement.  Due to chronic knee problems, I was very thankful to have the poles along on this section.  I also used the poles to lift one side of my hammock tarp to improve my view in the morning.

Day 3:  13 mi (20.9 km) from west of Moraine Lake to stealth camp south of Obsidian Falls restricted area.  This morning we started the day's hike at the highest elevation for the day, but our hike brought us through 6 ascents and 7 descents, the steepest of which was 800 ft (244 m) in 1 mi (1.61 km).  Our trail stared out in volcanic gravel, sand and dust for the first 3.5 mi (5.6 km), mostly through the Wickiup Plains.  Eventually, we descended into the soft and welcome shade of the conifer forests of the western slopes of South Sister where the trail was packed earth.  We crossed several Lupine and Bear grass covered meadows, some with extremely rutted trails that prevented proper pole usage.  In these locations, I tucked the poles behind my arms, tips pointed vertically up until the trail conditions improved.  At our morning breakfast stop, I used the poles to pitch my tarp in the sun to dry it off from the overnight condensation and morning dew.

Opie Dilldock PassDay 4:  11.5 mi (18.5 km) from south of Obsidian Falls, returning to trail head at Lava Camp.  Today was by far the hardest and most difficult trail conditions of the whole hike.  This was not the day of greatest elevation change, that was yesterday, but today was almost entirely spent traversing and climbing through volcanic flows.  The trail was narrow and the rocks sharp. Our morning started from our camp elevation of 6550 ft (1996 m), dropping only 400 ft (122 m) in 3 mi (4.8 km).  The trail then ascended up to Opie Dilldock pass at 7000 ft (2134 m).  The approach to Opie Dilldock pass is a 13% grade with many switchbacks through a very steep walled ravine.  Once this hurdle was conquered, our next challenge was Yapoah Crater, only a 5% grade with no switchbacks, but on very loose volcanic sand.  One step forward, two steps back kind of conditions.  This was followed by another mile of dense, narrow volcanic rock strewn trail, eventually leading back into the final 3 mi (4.8 km) push through the dusty, wide Lodgepole pine forest trail to the trail head.  The trail conditions on this day resulted in a fair amount of scaring on the soft rubber baskets and on the lower segment of the telescoping poles, but there was no visible damage to the carbide tips.  I found this quite impressive given the kind of conditions they were subjected to.

Day hikes and around the neighborhood use:  I have since used the poles while hiking on flat established trails and neighborhood parks.  I have also pitched tarps using the poles in a variety of configurations.  I have used the poles as the primary ridge line supports for a tarp pitched for ground sleeping, and as side lifters for my tarp pitched over my hammocks, allowing for unobstructed views.  I have allowed my children to try the poles as well, confirming that their adjustibility and weight meet the requirements of a wide range of uses and needs.

  • Specific Observations:

Here is an update on specific features of the MSR Overland Carbon Fiber Trekking Poles since my Field report.

Weight: Obviously, there is no change in weight, and they still feel light and swing easily.

Balance and Stability: As noted in my Field Report, any concerns over stability are resolved and the extended use of these poles on my Sisters Loop has not changed my previous observations.


Length packed and extended: I rarely hiked with the poles packed, since most conditions allowed for their use.  When I did, they did not extend above or below my pack while on my back.  During my several creek crossings, I used them fully extended to 55 in (140 cm), and they performed well, as expected, at this length.  My typical trail conditions found me using them at 47.25 in (120 cm), except during excessive downhill grades that lasted for more than roughly 100 ft (30 m).  When climbing Opie Dilldock pass and Green Lakes pass (13-15% grades) I shortened them to 45.28 in (115 cm).

Reliability and security of adjustment/locking mechanism: I continued to have no problems adjusting the pole length using the LockJaw mechanisms.  It was always easy and quick to release and tighten them for needed adjustments.  On my Sisters Loop hike, I did have one time where one pole began to shorten under the load of my use.  This was the first time I experienced this, and after readjusting it, it did not happen again.  I can only assume this was due to my own error in initial adjustment since it was the only time this happened in the 6 months of my testing.  Even with all the dust and grit on the trails I frequented, in never had any other failures or trouble with the locking mechanism.

Grip comfort: As noted in my Field report, I continue to be happy with the EVA foam grips.  Their comfort and security, even under the sweaty and dusty conditions that I used them in, was never compromised.

Unfortunately, I continue to be VERY dissatisfied with the strap orientation and the irritation that I experienced because of it.  Since my earlier observations detail the problem with the strap orientation, I will not belabor the point.  I do, however, have a new complaint to add to the list.

PommelOn the pommel of each hand grip, there is a pin or dowel that secures the top of the handle to the shaft of the handle, presumably removable for servicing or replacing the wrist strap.  On my set of poles, one of these "pins" very slightly protruded.  This protrusion was initially only about 1/16th of an inch (1.5 mm), and only bothered me when held in such a way as to be against my thumb.  It bothered me enough to try to do something about it, but I could only get it to move in one direction, the WRONG direction!  As you can see from the photographs here, it now extends about 3/16th of an inch (4.8 mm), rendering it extremely irritating in any position.  I have tried in vain to get the pin to go back into proper position, but every attempt only causes the plastic to deform and scar.


PommelI suspect the initial protrusion in my poles was a quality defect in manufacturing not caught prior to distribution and I would hope it is not a general condition of all their poles.  I do not have any other MSR Overland Carbon Fiber Trekking Poles to compare to, and none are available at any local outfitters.

My emphasis on the matter serves two purposes:
  1. Next time I look at purchasing a set of trekking poles, I will pay attention to quality when purchasing equipment of any kind, and look for issues that may affect comfort, not just function.
  2. If I am ever inclined to try to "fix" or tamper with my MSR Overland Carbon Fiber Trekking Poles, or any others, I will be reminded that I may encounter the same problems, and turn otherwise valuable and useful poles into an instruments of pain and masochistic torture.

Basket durability and removal: As noted earlier in this report, that lava rock conditions that large portions of my Sisters Loop hike covered did rather substantial scarring and pitting to the baskets, but no chunks are missing, and most surprisingly, none of the little "knobs" of points on the baskets are gone.

Tip durability: Still no damage or noticeable wear to the Carbide tips, even after some 70 mi (113 km) on them.

Ease of grip strap adjustment:  Since my earlier field testing, I have had to make no adjustments to the straps.  Once they were dialed in, no more adjustments were needed.  I have not had the occasion to use these poles in winter conditions that would require the use of gloves, but suspect that adjustment would be needed.

Pole flexion and effect on pole stability under load:  As noted in my initial report, there is a clear and notable difference in the stiffness between my titanium poles the MSR Overland Carbon Fiber Trekking Poles.  These carbon fiber poles are distinctly more rigid.

Ease of pole maintenance and cleaning:  As expected, I had no trouble cleaning and maintaining the poles.  They are easily separated, cleaned and reassembled.

Conclusions

My MSR OverLand Carbon Fiber trekking poles have meet my expectations overall with the one key fault in the strap irritation I have noted earlier.  This irritation has not yet resulted in a blister, even after my ~50 mi (81 km) hike around the Three Sisters in the Oregon Cascades.  Unfortunately, due to the mild irritation of the straps, and the issue noted above with the pommel pin, I do not believe I will continue using these poles.  I will continue to work to resolve the protruding pin problem, but even if I am successful, I was sufficiently dissatisfied with the strap orientation that I would still not use them as my regular trekking poles.

On this issue of the strap, I want to remind folks that they bothered me, but not others that I loaned them to, so I believe it has a lot to do with hand size, and strap placement.  I think MSR could solve the problem altogether though by simply making the poles "handed" so that the strap orientation was better positioned on the wrist and thumb padding.

On the issue of getting replacement parts, additional calls and emails into MSR reveal the following:
  • Baskets and Carbide FlexTip are available at retail stores, by special order through local retailers or from MSR directly.
  • LockJawTM locking mechanisms are not available through retailers or by special order.
  • To replace or repair the LockJawTM locking mechanisms, the owner must send the pole(s) to MSR for repair under warranty.
  • The warranty on the MSR OverLand Carbon Trekking poles on the hang tag is 3 years.  In an email communication from an MSR Customer Service Representative, I was told the warranty period was 5 years for these poles.
  • Repairs to the LockJawTM locking mechanisms after the warranty period would be "a nominal charge of around $15".

Things I like:

  • Weight.  At only 1 oz (28.35 g) heavier than my titanium poles, these are an excellent alternative for those seeking the lightest telescoping trekking poles available.
  • Versatility (balance, tarp/tent poles, knee strain relief)
  • Adjustment markings on two sides of poles.  This makes it easy to see where the poles are being adjusted to from almost any angle.
  • The "LockJaw" locking mechanism is smooth and easy to adjust and reliable in its hold.
  • Length.  In my initial report, I suggested that the extended length of 55 in (140 cm) was not necessary.  I must now retract that, having used the fully extended length during a potentially hazardous stream crossing.

Things I dislike:

  • Lack of grip "handedness", resulting in irritation and early blistering.
  • The basket is quite difficult to remove once attached and is easily distorted under normal use.
  • Availability of replacement parts, especially the LockJawTM locking mechanisms.

    I would like to extend my thanks and appreciation to MSR and the staff of BackpackGearTest.org in allowing me to participate in this test series.  I enjoyed the opportunity to get out and test these trekking poles.

Biographical Information

Name: Shane Bryan
Age: 35
Gender: Male
Height: 5 ft, 10 in (1.78 m)
Weight: 175 lbs (79 kg)
Email Address: mirage(AT)peak(dot)org
WebSite:
http://www.peak.org/~webdawg
Address: Corvallis, Oregon, USA
Date:
December 23, 2004
Backpacking Background: I grew up hiking short trips in the Catskills and Adirondacks with Boy Scouts and friends.  In college I spent a little over a week in the Adirondacks with a LaVida outdoor experience.  Most of the hiking I have done was on weekend or over nights with external frame packs.  I spent some time on the Saranac lakes as well.  Now I do my hiking on the Oregon Coast and Cascade ranges, usually late spring - fall.  The fall of 2003 began my introduction to light/ultralight gear for the first time.  I hope to begin section hiking the PCT this year.



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